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Try this address,
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Bingo! you got it Pappy! Good for you!

Now where do you think the F14 shape needs to be thinned out?

Also I realize now what what happening when I tried to go to www.topedge.com and why I thought it didnt exist...

www.topedge.com/alley/ is actually the dns name for the Tomcat Alley website...

www.topedge.com alone forwards to www.topedge.ro a different commercial site...

Great Job Pappy...

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It is Tomcat Alley http://www.topedge.com/alley/index.htm It is one of my favorite F14 sites. Try it out. It has a complete listing of all F14 built and talks about the F14C and F14 21st Century ATF version.

Do you think it needs thinning in the nose and behind the cockpit? You know what there supposed to look like better than me. Thanks for the help. Pappy
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1) What about a P6ClassPT? NK and PRCN have a bunch of them.

2) What about T62 Lt Tank? It is used alot by NK and PCRA. What about PT76 Amphib. Tank? It is used by PCRMC and NK Navy troops. Pappy
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Sure Pappy, the T-62 Light Tank - PT-76 Amphibous Tank are both good suggestions...

I have no idea what that PT boat looks like and what era was it used in?

(Another words post some background information about your suggestions)

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I agre with Pappy... the F-14 shape is too bulky or else too short, and the nose needs to be reshaped into a cone.
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What about the F-35. I don't see it on either list.
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What about mini subs the NK use? They have 2 different classes and 1 semisub speed boat. Can we get a MkV Seal boat and RIB? All the above would be used for Spec Ops.

A Virginia class SSN?

The new High Speed Vessel HVS?
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Pappy,

A minisub would be invisible to you flying a helo, its underwater! I can make the submarine easily using the invisible shape, but I already have a few subs(stnd torpedo only, sub with antiship missiles, and a nuclear armed bbomer), with the limited sensors we have (no sonar) how can we really simualte tracking it? Also how will you know if the submerged sub is the Vrginia Class or the Los Angeles Class or even an Aplha? That is why the submerged subs are generic, so they can be used by both sides and save file space, otherwise its a waste of file space to have these specific INVISIBLE objects...

Aim120,

I added all the variants of the JSF, thanks, I didnt realise I had not listed it!

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Brought this list over from the old EGroup...

Kaptor was nice enough to combine the many requests into one single request last April...

Requested New Shapes for FAF FA-2
( I guess you can add to this and reload as nessesary)



From CAG (edited by Kaptor)

F-18 needs its canopies fixed, <--- Completed

F-16 needs it canopy fixed and its the inlet enlarged, its nose more rounded

Improved shape for F/A-18E/F needs squared-off inlets and needs to have the wings and fuselage enlaged a bit and also needs to have it’s canopy fixed.



From Pappy: (edited by Kaptor)

I would like to see the following:

F-14 shape improved to look like the old USNF97 F-14

F-35 shape to resemble the LM plane, not the X-32

S-3 shape based on E-2

More accurate Spruance class DD shape

A better shape for LSD



From Kaptor:

I'm wanting a truck with an open rear area, like a
pick-up. Either a hummer with the truck mod or a 6x6
with an open back (the tent rails on the back of an
open 6x are unnessasary). Maybee the "box back"
hummer too as this is used for a number of things (ambulance for one).

Also want the SU-34 to have a longer front end to
make it look as sleek as the real thing.
<--- Completed

Get that F-104 based U-2 made. I dont know if we
want an SR-71 (yeah we WANT it, but it HAS been
retired now, and would have to be made from scratch as nothing really comes close).
<--- Completed

Global Hawk is/will be an important
system.

A number of better Phantom skins if not new shapes
as well.

A REAL CH/MH-53 shape, the Frelon is a good start
already. You mentioned using the SH-3 for skinning reasons.

Use the C-5 to make a AN-124 with the T-tail
lowered, maybee longer wings and body. The FA shape
nose needs to be streched a little too.

Maybee Chinook with most of the side pods removed to
make a CH-46.
<--- Completed

Nimrod?

I think you already did an IL-76 so I wont mention
that ( lol )
<--- Completed

I think EVERYBODY wants a B-58 Hustler Smile but
that's SO different than anything we already have
(same prob with SR-71) it would be a lot of work.

Maybee US deltas 102/106 from the Mirages.

EH-101 from Blackhawk

The twin MiG-19 Farmer (you were already wanting
that)
<--- Completed

Maybee SU-15/21 Flagons?

MiG-27 Flogger (MiG-23 with a very different nose, wouldent have to change much else)

Tweaking the Foxbat shape for MiG-31 <--- Completed

Is the F-105 in FA a 2 seater? if not then maybee
one for the Wild Weasle.(Probly just a skin change
would be enough for a 2nd pit on this one)

A HUGE change would be the Kamov with an altered body
for the Navy Helix series of ASW choppers . Kamov is
the only shape with stacked rotors Sad .

Side by side cockpit for KA-50 Werewolf and Alligator.

Maybee KC-10, third engine on an Airbus shape. <--- Completed

Skid version of Lynx for the Royal army <--- Completed


Not bad, many of the list completed, plus a whole lot more...
In the last 5 motnhs...

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This is the followon list by AIM-120...

Other Needed Shape Mods (in addition to KAP’s)


Here is a list of suggested shape changes, ranging from minor to major, that I think would be beneficial to have in both FAF Korea 1995-2010 and in FAF NATO ‘80s. All listed for Korea would also be applicable to NATO ‘80s, except for the J-8IIM Finback which came out in the mid-1990’s.
I’m not big on hex editing, but I suggested some shapes I think have enough polygons to be adequately modified to the new aircraft. I’d love to help, but I’m afraid I’m computer programming illiterate. This is a huge amount of work, and it is only suggestions, though I forsee at least some of these ideas becoming concrete in the future, largely because of the necessity of some in FAF NATO ‘80s.



FAF Korea:

1. J-8A Finback: I suggest using the Q-5 shape, because it is the closest shape with twin engine outlets.
2. J-8IIM Finback: The Rafale might work here, but you’d need to use the desert shape so you had more skin space available, if not, use the Q-5… it is relatively close and probably has enough polygons
3. MiG-19/J-6: I know you have this one underway. <---completed
4. Tu-16/H-6 Badger: This one is pretty important, and it shouldn’t be a tough mode from the Tu-95. <---completed

FAF NATO ‘80s:

1. F-100D Super Sabre: Su-7? It has practically the same polygons, except for layout, and I don’t think you’ll be able to simulate the refueling probe however you do it.
2. F-101B/CF-101 VooDoo: F-4J… okay, these both came from McDonnell-Douglas, and have pretty much the same parts, except the F-101 is more slender, proportionately bigger, has differently shaped wings and nose, and the horizontal stabilizers form a t-tail and are slanted up (whereas the F-4’s are slanted down and are below the vert stabilizer).
3. F-5 (all versions): Fix wing size and clean up shape. <---under development
4. A-1 Skyraider: The default FA shape blows, and even though this was long retired, it would be cool to have a good looking A-1. With its detailed skin, I guess you oculd just clean up this shape.
5. A-4 Skyhawk (versions w/o hump): I don’t know if these were still in use (not hump versions), but it would be a pretty easy shape mod.
6. RA-5C Vigilante: The Viggie was probably retired late 70’s, early 80’s but it would be a good carrier recon craft for NATO ‘80s just the same. I think the MiG-25 would be a good base, but it would need vertical thinning, a little overall enlargement, wing and horizontal stabilizer reshapement, overlapping of the twin tails to make a single, and a new skin.
7. B-57/Canberra: Once again, may have been retired? Canada, USANG, Britain, etc.: Use A-6 or A-37 shape? <---under development
8. P-3C Orion: Remove the radome from the regular version, but leave it on the EP-3 Aries. (Side note… make stationary planes have stationary props, such as E-2, P-3, Tu-95, C-130, and A-1). <---completed
9. S-3 Viking: Made from E-2C maybe?
10. Hawker Hunter: May have been retired… A-4 shape mod?
11. Hawker Gnat: Hawk? Mirage F.1? This plane was widely used in the Middle East even after Britain finished with it.
12. BAe Lightning: I have no idea how you’d make this one, but it was England’s only real interceptor before the Tornado fighter versions.
13. G.91: A-7? Maybe Su-7 if not? I’m not sure if it has sufficient polygons, but I think this shape is pretty close. The G.91Y (Italy) has 2 engines and is much longer
14. Mirage IVA: Enlargement, slight shape mod, and reskin of Mirage 5… I would assume it would be easy.
15. SAAB Lansen: Hawk maybe?
16. T-33 Shooting Star: Make from Strikemaster. I bet some NATO countries still used this in the ‘80s, even though the USAF was using the T-38.


1. Galeb/Jastreb: Strikemaster mod… should be minor.
2. Super Galeb: Hawk mod… should be minor.
3. J-22 Orao: Jaguar, Mitsubishi F1
4. Su-9/11 Fishpot: I hear this plane sucked, but at least 2000 were produced (more than the Su-15), so it needs to be made. I think you already started this one. <---completed
5. Yak-28 Firebar: Buccaneer might work for this shape?
5. Yak-36 Forger: Mirage F-1 or Jaguar
6. Tu-28 Backfin: Neat plane, really big – Tu-26 shape mod
7. Tu-22 Blinder: see above^
8. Su-15 Flagon: Q-5, F-5, Rafale, maybe even a drastic retooling of MiG-25: Very cool plane= must have
9. L-39 Albatross: Hawk mod <---under development
10. Tu-126 Moss: Unless you could add a radome to the Tu-95, I think you’d just have to heavily mod the Mainstay or E-3 and we’d just pretend it had propellers.
11. M-4 Bison: This bomber was kinda the runt, outshined by the others, but it was also used as a refueler and shouldn’t be too hard of a mod from the Tu-95

Again, not bad, we are making headway here...

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Again the weapons shape changes list from the EGroup...

Requested shapes for ordanance for FAF/FA-2
(add to this and reload as nessesary)

by Kaptor:
Well, about the only thing the JDAMs need is the little fins on the body, but some of the MK series shapes are pretty crude, maybee cleaning them up (making them more round etc) would be a good place to start. <---completed

A proper Hellfire shape is needed. <---under development

I rather like the LGB shapes as I recall.

A newer example of sidewinder would be good. <---completed

(I'm going through my "bible of boom" looking at weapons lol)

Maybee an older CBU shape (suu-30?) they had a shape much like the MK-117 750lb bomb.

A white Rockeye without the rainbows!!. <---completed

Everybody (except me) seems to love napalm, so a canister shape. <---completed

Can a drop tank be made since now they have no shape associated
with them? This would be a coding thing or just adding a shape line
to the JT file of gas tanks?

AGM-119 Penguine is rarely used but it IS a cool shape for a weapon. <---under development

Some of those giant cruise missle weapons from the Soviets (like Granit Wink ) <---completed

Maybee modding the AMRAAM shape for ALARM <---under development

ALCM to go with Tommahawk. <--- under development

HARM should be important enough with the Quickbolt mod to get it's own shape ( a larger Sparrow would suffice ) <---under development

Maverick could use some cleaning up. <---completed

TOW has a simple shape but the fins in front are 45 degrees off line from the rear fins. THAT might make it real hard I dont know.

A modded sidewinder for Python?

Maybee a longer version of the Alamo, but that would be later after a lot of these others. <---under development

Maybee something better than FAB250 for artillery shapes. <---completed

I think Kedge or Kerry has a fin missing in FA.

JASSM of course. <---completed

Moskit

Krypton (an important missle for Soviet forces) <---under development

Kazoo

Krizantema will PROBOBLY become an important dual use AT anti-helo for soviet forces (has weird larger warhead section up front).

Patriot, the missle not just the launcher, we need both. <---under development

SA-10 and 12 missiles <---under development

Silkworm!!

Aster

What about the KAB series of LGB? they look a bit different than the US LGBs. That's about all I got for now. <---completed

Again not bad, we are definately moving forward!

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